Sunday Late Afternoon Changes: I Know, I Know

11/1/26 Saturday 4:15 pm

9-R schools are closed tomorrow

Spooky situations today from Pagosa historic flood on the way and Junction Creek, backing up and flooding at the West 2nd bridge. To the Florida, finally going crazy downstream. Not to mention the County Road closures.

Minutes after posting my case about the snow levels not dropping early because the cold front was so far away, the snow levels dropped, nearly immediately. I was glued to the monitor I was typing on, not the ones with the radar becoming whiter and whiter with snow.

But this has nothing to do with the cold front. A strengthening, retrograding, closed low-pressure system in SE Colorado pulled most of the moisture to our east.

With tropical air out of the atmosphere, it reverted back to seasonal. Enough moisture remains, but the firehouse with heat on high above is gone.

Now, I am not saying we are in the clear. Tropical moisture remains in Flagstaff, Prescott, and west of Kingman, AZ, to St. George, plus everything up in SLC. This wouldn’t be there if the cold front were west of these areas.

In my mind, which clearly failed about an hour ago, it would be unlikely for that residual warm, damp moisture to raise snow levels.

So some good snow might fall, maybe even lower than expected. Sorry for the Roller Coaster; that’s how it works in SW Colorado. At least our tornado season is over…

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Sunday Afternoon Concerns and Flood Data

11/1/26 Sunday 2:30 pm

I will cover the new river forecasts in a moment. If I didn’t post your hydrograph, nothing has changed since their earlier update (according to them)…

Overview

I am glad the River People updated, but still concerned. For example, they increased the forecast peak and CFS for Animas at Cedar Hill, but left the Animas at Durango unchanged (both locations).

Raising Cedar Hill straight into Flood Stage at 11.24 ft and 9,603 cfs while leaving Durango idling barely in Action Stage makes zero physical sense to me. Cedar Hill cannot magically conjure 9,600 cfs out of thin air unless the bulk of that volume passes straight through the Durango gauges first. Especially with the Junction Creek diversion this afternoon.

Also, I am concerned because the models continue to show the snow levels dropping before midnight, which would slow runoff. I hope it happens, but show of hands, long-term followers: how many times have we gone to bed seeing the models bring the cold front through in the middle of the night? Then we wake up look at the surface maps, and it’s still in western Utah.  A lo of timest is the answer.

It’s still raining everywhere up to about 11,500. If you look at the Day Lodge webcam at Wolf Creek, look to the right, look below the deck, and check out the runoff.

If you have been looking at the webcams trying to decide what is rain and what is snow, don’t look at the color; look at the speed. Rain falls faster than snow.

All of this makes me question the aggressive NWS snowfall forecast for Purgatory.  Now, it should be different for Telluride because when that front comes through, the flow will shift to the Northwest. So I could make a case for good snow there tomorrow.

Also, Wolf Creek is weird, it is such a wall it likes to suck every ounce of Southwest flow for hours/days after the moisture has left our area. Same situation; I could see Wolf Creek getting decent snow tomorrow.

Latest Flood Data: Again, if you are not on here, your situation is (supposedly) unchanged.

 

 

 

 

If something changes this evening and I am awake, I will post; otherwise, I will be up early.

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La Plata County Closing All County Roads

11/1/26 Sunday 1:50 pm

Just out- I have no other updates; the river people have not updated yet. Fingers crossed we will get info before tonight.

“LPCAlerts! – La Plata County Office of Emergency Management:

DANGEROUS SITUATION ACROSS LA PLATA COUNTY. The La Plata County Sheriff is temporarily closing all County roads. Dangerous flood conditions and debris flows, all residents are asked to remain home until further notice. LPCAlerts will update when conditions change. Questions: 970-385-8700″ 

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Sunday Mid Morning Update: Second Batch And A Couple Scary Model Runs

11/1/26  Sunday 9 am

These are all going to change. I just don’t know how often the river people will update today. I can’t imagine that, in the midst of historic flooding, they’d wait another 12 hours of the event’s heaviest rain to do another update.

Dolores: They didn’t update the data for lower or Rico locations. I did not leave you out intentionally.

 

 

 

These were the most accurate models with the last flood; These are their forecast totals from 5 am this morning to last drop and flake.

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Sunday Morning Update

 

11/1/26 Saturday

Current Radar

The heaviest rains are yet to come. Right now, they are aimed straight at us. I am not sure if that convective banding will make it up here; if it does, we could get some strong thunderstorms this afternoon

Nothing like watching it rain on the Purgatory, Wolf Creek, and Telluride webcams and snow stakes.

Here are the latest hydrographs. This first batch will be for the most critical locations (Above Flood Stage). So if you don’t see the location you are looking for, it will be in the next batch.

Pagosa got worse, again.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Sunday Early Morning Update

11/1/26 Sunday 3:30 am

I am waiting for the river people to update before I post the hydrographs. They updated at 10 pm last night with big changes. Things are looking much worse.

Animas at Durango (both sites) are forecast to be over action stage; I see nothing that will stop them from going higher.

Pagosa Springs is going to be devastated. The last flood 10 days ago hit 15.2 feet; it is now forecast to peak at 19.7 feet.

Mancos River is forecast to hit historic levels. La Plata River at Hesperus is forecast to hit historic levels. Dolores at Rico is forecast to peak within inches of where it was 10 days ago.

Animas at Silverton is forecast to equal the peak from 10 days ago. Animas at  Farmington is already forecast to hit within 7 inches of  10 days ago.

Rain started about 6 hours earlier than the models had forecast. So the River models were not only using lagging data last night; they were using incorrect data. As I said, when the new forecasts come out, I will post full details. I just wanted to give everyone an overview to read when they woke up.

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Saturday Afternoon-Wrap Up

10/31/26 Saturday 2:00 pm

I have been waiting and hoping that the river people update their forecasts. But it does not look like that is going to happen. I hope they have more updates tomorrow than 1. That would be irresponsible given the situation, especially Pagosa, forecast to hit 4 1/2 feet above “Major Flooding Stage” with 11,432 cfs (flood stage is 4476 cfs)

About 40 minutes after my preliminary update on the areas forecast to exceed prior flood levels, NWS GJT put out flood warnings for affected areas. Nice to see them changing their tune (again).

I have a couple of models to share: one I have used before, the other- not before current pre-storm prep.

First, the NBM: I have used it a lot over the last few weeks. It is a high-resolution model that smooths low-resolution multi-model solutions. The good about that is it takes multiple model runs from “model members”.– Got very close to the rabbit hole there. Why do they call it that? Do rabbits live in a hole?- See, I told you.

I will save all of that for a boring weather post; it’s a good idea to talk about the differences between the weather models.

Been awake since 1 am, not an excuse-anyway.

Here is the NBM

These totals are higher than yesterday’s, before last night’s/overnight’s precipitation. It does a good job with elevation (un)smoothing.

I have not mentioned this before, but look at the bottom right of the precip map. See that “Max 6.78″? You can match that with the colors; in this case, the three potential areas that the models predict that 6.78” of liquid equivalent precipitation could fall are La Platas, Wolf Creek, or the Southeast San Juans (south of Wolf Creek).

Now another new one in the lineup. It’s an experimental NOAA model ready to officially replace the NAM3k next year.

It is RRFS  (Rapid Refresh Forecast System); NOAA calls it “next generation”. I can’t confirm its accuracy yet; I haven’t spent enough time with it, and I’m anxious to see how it verifies. Right now, it could be my favorite model, especially this winter.

It is a convection-allowing model suite built on an FV3 dynamical core… I did it again.

Here it is, bottom line: my first reaction was that the model handles elevation in our area the way it really is. You may have heard me say in the past, “this model run is impressive, but there is absolutely no way this could possibly happen”. This model is exactly the opposite.

Look up by Purgatory: It actually registers the lower elevation at Purgatory at 550 versus the peaks on either side. Same thing with Animas heading up to Silverton.

My biggest concerns are the bullseyes where we don’t need them-Above Vallecito, Wolf Creek, and the La Platas.

Very excited about turning the clocks back; that means I get model data an hour earlier! (nerd)

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Saturday Mid-Morning Flood Details Please Read

10/31/26 Saturday 9:30 am

I’m just posting the forecast Above Flood Stage locations for the time being. The current forecast for the Animas in Durango (both locations) is near Action Stage. I don’t expect it to stay there.

As I have said, these river forecasts lag the latest forecasts. What I have been seeing in the models is snow levels rising tomorrow to near or above 11,000 ft.  Snow levels remain high until between 10 pm Sunday and 12 am Monday, when they finally drop below 10,000 feet. Again, that is dependent on the cool front showing up on time.

The weather models are not backing down at all from their aggressive precipitation forecasts

Rain falling tomorrow on last night’s snow may be problematic.

 Forecast Above Previous Flood Event

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Forecast Above Flood Stage

 

 

I will post again this afternoon, or when there are any meaningful changes.

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Saturday Morning Update: New Flood Forecasts

10/31/26 Saturday 9:00 am

I will post all of the details, but I wanted to get the word out ASAP.

The following locations are now forecast to exceed the last event flow and height levels.

San Juan at Pagosa Springs; La Plata River at Hesperus; La Plata River at Stateline; La Plata River at Farmington; Mancos River at Mancos; Animas at Cedar Hill.

It will take me a while to load the hydrographs; I will be back as soon as I can get them loaded up. This is what I feared…

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Saturday Overnight Update:

10/31/26 Saturday 3:00 am

Concerns:

  • Models underforecasted precipitation totals last night and after midnight. Many areas got well over an inch. I have seen totals as high as 1.85″ already. The atmosphere is saturated, and so are our soils. This was supposed to be the weak wave; the heavy stuff should arrive tomorrow.
  • Overnight models have either stayed the same or are showing higher precipitation totals than yesterday.
  • NWS is still convinced snow levels will mitigate runoff and downstream danger. Looking at the webcams at Purg and Wolf Creek. and an underwhelming amount of snow has accumulated. Current temp at Wolf Creek is 33.  Models indicated overnight lows to be colder at these elevations than what is verifying.
  • As I said yesterday, snow levels will rise and stay high for most of this event, even if the cold front does not stall (like it usually does). Current indications show snow levels dropping below 10,000 feet late Sunday night (after the bulk of the precipitation has fallen).
  • The “River People” (CBRFC) have not updated their forecasts in nearly 24 hours- frustrating; hopefully they will be more on top of this tomorrow.
  • I will be posting often today; stay tuned, hopefully for better news, but I can’t find any right now.

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